There are 29 thoughts on ““Yes, It’s True, But I Don’t Think They Like to Hear it Quite That Way”: What Spencer W. Kimball Told Elaine Cannon”.

  1. Maybe President Kimball was not always as confident of the rightness of his actions or of action or inaction he expected of another president of the Church.
    Peggy Fletcher Stack, The Salt Lake Tribune, January 29, 2010, writing of the publication of the expanded version (working draft) of Edward Kimball’s Lengthen Your Stride: The Presidency of Spencer W. Kimball, noted that: “Spencer Kimball told one interviewer before the [1978 priesthood/temple eligibility] change, ‘I don’t know that I should be the one doing this, but if I don’t, my successor [Ezra Taft Benson] won’t.’”
    https://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?ref=/lds/ci_14287116
    It would be interesting to know whether by saying “Yes, it’s true” as to “when the prophet speaks, the debate is over” he meant anything more than when the president of the church makes a decision in the council of the Q12 and First Presidency, the decision for the Church at that time has been made, right or wrong.

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  3. It is interesting to me that this is written based on an incident involving president Kimball, because one of the incidents that I find most difficult to reconcile with this idea also involves Pres. Kimball. I don’t know if this will get past moderation due to the topic — I would understand if it did not. Specifically the incident I have in mind is the so-called “oral sex” letter Pres. Kimball’s presidency sent out in the early ’80s. From what I understand (not being in a leadership position that allows me access to these things, though I understand that this letter is no longer accessible at all through official Church channels), Pres. Kimball’s administration sent out a letter covering several topics related to worthiness interviews. In this letter, they state that the First Presidency was of the opinion that oral sex (even between a married couple) was an unnatural, unholy, and impure practice. Elsewhere they state that couple’s guilty of unnatural, unholy, and impure practices should not hold temple recommends or attend the temple. To be fair, it is given as the First Presidency’s opinion, so that most debates about the topic that I have seen focus on when does the opinion of the First Presidency rise to the level of revelation. If I put this incident into the framework Brother Boyce is talking about here — that Pres. Kimball had little doubt about his ability to interpret his own opinion on oral se, then I begin to wonder exactly what we believe as Church. The official position of the Church is that the Church stays out of the marriage bed and lets couples decide for themselves — to the point that the Church almost doesn’t acknowledge that Pres. Kimball ever sent this letter out. I have seen many conservative therapists and priesthood leaders who refuse to condemn oral sex the way that Pres. Kimball seemed inclined to condemn it. Having a personal interest in sexuality, if Pres. Kimball was infallibly correct, then there are a lot of Church members living in sin and believing in this particular sinful practice based very much on the idea that Pres. Kimball was mistaken in his opinion about oral sex.

    I guess for me, this particular incident makes a very interesting case study in the question of prophetic fallibility. I would wonder what brother Boyce (and others) make of this incident.

    • Agreed, this one adds an interesting twist. If it were really as important as they made it seem at the time, you would think it would continue to be preached with the same force today, to strengthen families and to help the membership remain worthy. Or – did an official letter from the First Presidency just disappear, never to be mentioned again…

    • One of my favorite non-prophecies was the one given by President Hinckley in October of 1998. Recall that the previous four or so years saw tremendous market gains in the heat of the dot.com boom.
      https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/1998/10/to-the-boys-and-to-the-men?lang=eng

      After going through Genesis and the story of Joseph interpreting Pharaoh’s dream about the 7 years of plenty and 7 years of famine, he made a plea to the brethren of the Church to get their financial houses in order. He stated:

      “Now, brethren, I want to make it very clear that I am not prophesying, that I am not predicting years of famine in the future. But I am suggesting that the time has come to get our houses in order.”

      Of course, 2000 to 2002 saw some significant market reversals.

      I had two friends in my ward who took different approaches at this time. Both worked for the same very successful high tech company and were the beneficiaries of generous stock option awards that seemed to double every year or two.

      As a direct result of what President Hinckley said, one friend cashed in his options, paid off his house, settled all of his debts, moved to Florida to be near family and started his dream business of being a handyman. Low stress, and he loved it.

      The other friend retired at the age of 43, planning on using his every-increasing stock option values to take him through a very full retirement. He too moved and purchased a very nice little estate. However, within 3 years he was forced to return to work.

      I have learned through the years that even when one of our leaders states something as his or her advice or opinion, it is wise to consider their words seriously.

      Cheers.

      • I agree, that we should seriously consider the teachings of prophets and apostles. However, I think we are talking about something more than just whether or not they are wise and give good advice. We are talking about whether or not they always correctly discern and express the mind and will of the Lord. If I understood, the thrust of Br. Boyce’s essay is that Pres. Kimball was confident in his ability to discern the will of the Lord and express it to the people. I guess the real question I see is whether that confidence alone is enough to state that he (and, by extension, other prophets and apostles) never made mistakes in that discernment and expression.

    • I’m pleased this got past moderation because it is a very interesting incident. It makes me think about something that was quoted earlier in the comments, something like:
      There are some issues that are really important to the Lord, and there are some things that are less crucial and it’s less important that they be done perfectly. God leaves those less important things to the best judgment of his leaders, and sometimes they get those things wrong.
      I think the oral sex incident was an example of the latter. The first presidency made a policy change, (I do think it is significant that it was always presented as something those men strongly believed, but not as something that was directly inspired) and there was tremendous pushback from church members who thought it was inappropriate for their bishops to be asking specific questions about their private sex lives, and micromanaging their chastity, and the policy got changed.
      To me I see that incident as a case of the Lord going, “These guys have something important to learn here about individual agency. I’ll let them run with it. They’ll be corrected, they’ll reverse themselves, and my leaders will never make that kind of mistake again.”
      I see the infamous “handbook change” as being similar. Gay marriage was, rather suddenly, made legal and the church leadership had no experience with that. But they did have experience with polygamy, and had a long-standing policy (which everyone forgets about) that dependent children of polygamous parents couldn’t be baptized. There hadn’t been any outcry against that and it probably seemed like the safest thing to do. I think they did their best and I can see the Lord being like, “Ok, sure. That’s fine. You’ll figure it out soon enough.” A few years later, it just hadn’t turned out to be that complicated or to impact that many people, and had been way more controversial than they probably expected or intended. So they made another policy change.
      I think that policies like these (e.g. what specific questions are asked in temple interviews, what do we label certain sins, what are the protocols for this, that, or the other thing) are very often the things the Lord lets his leaders learn from and grow from. They’re just policies. They’re just the way things are done, and they’re always changing. They’re not doctrine.
      It seems to me (and please, all of this is just me here, I’m just sharing how I see it) this whole discussion of whether prophets are fallible or not is misplaced. Are individual prophets fallible? Of course they are, because they’re men! That’s why we have FIFTEEN of them at any given time, and why they have to make unanimous decisions. Not one of them is infallible, and they have a gazillion decisions to make for a worldwide church in a gazillion places, and sometimes they’ll choose something that they later change, and the Lord lets them, because nobody’s eternal soul is endangered by a matter of policy.
      At the same time, they aren’t just a group of nice guys. They are chosen by the Lord, set apart by him, and put in place as watchmen to warn us of things that can harm us. The Lord promises all of us ordinary people in the scriptures (which ARE absolute doctrine, not mere policy) that he will speak to us through them, that we can trust them, and that he will do nothing (significant) without alerting them.
      There is no place in the scriptures where the Lord tells us to put our trust in really smart people, really obvious politics, or really great blogs. Just prophets, every time.

      • Great insight & perspective. And I think I agree that “nobody’s eternal soul is endangered by a matter of policy”. But, one could argue that, for quite a large number of people, their journey through mortality, and ability to spiritually progress within the gospel and the church, CAN be affected by policy. Ex: how many families were affected by the priesthood ban during their life on earth?
        Missing out on priesthood and temple blessings that would have been of great benefit as they learned, progressed, and exercised agency throughout life. And we certainly believe that our choices, progress & acquisition of knowledge here, will affect us there. I won’t be so bold as to declare the eternal effects on the souls of such a large group who were unable to participate in temple ordinances, or lived without the priesthood in their home. But I think we would all agree that these are incredibly helpful during our mortal journey – and that a policy did, in fact, exclude these blessings for so, so many.

      • Lia said: To me I see that incident as a case of the Lord going, “These guys have something important to learn here about individual agency. I’ll let them run with it. They’ll be corrected, they’ll reverse themselves, and my leaders will never make that kind of mistake again.”

        I find this an interesting possibility. FWIW, I think I would agree with you, that sometimes God lets prophets/apostles run with their best knowing that they will be corrected down the road. The question that I might ask — especially as this intersects with the assertion that Brother Boyce is making here — did Pres. Kimball (or other prophets/apostles) recognize when God was letting them run with their own best thinking and when God is truly inspiring/revealing to them? Brother Boyce is explaining how Pres. Kimball (and, by extension, other prophets and apostles) are confident in their ability to discern God’s will. Is this an example where Pres. Kimball — despite his confidence — did not correctly discern God’s will?

  4. The titular quote from President Kimball is a succinct summation of everything Duane Boyce has written for Interpreter arguing for prophetic infallibility, which seems to be his personal mission.

    True, he would insist he does not argue for prophetic infallibility, but that is precisely what he is doing. “Yes, of course they’re infallible, but people don’t like to hear it quite that way.”

    Backdoor rationalizations that imply that prophets are perfect ultimately erode faith and do far more damage than good.

    • I don’t see how it erodes faith. If you believe a prophet is called by God to lead the Church and speak on His behalf, it requires a lot of faith to trust in what the prophets say and believe the words are God’s words. If God descended onto this earth and gave a talk, it would be much easier to take those words as truth because we see from our own eyes that God spoke those words. Having the Church run by an imperfect human who speaks to God privately and then tells the Saints what God wants him to tell them is a much more difficult concept to grasp. Thus, it actually strengthens faith, not erodes it. Trusting in an imperfect human to run the Church the way our perfect God wants it to be run takes a staggering amount of faith. And the prophets, while imperfect, are called by God. If we’re trusting God, it makes sense that we would trust those whom God elects as His mouthpiece.

      • That is why our faith is in God; the prophet’s role is always to point to Him and the Savior.

        I don’t have faith in President Nelson. I have faith in Christ. I also believe President Nelson is the Lord’s mouthpiece in the Earth, a prophet, seer and revelator.

      • Why will be disappointed? Is it because these inspired men are not performing God’s will? Do we know God’s will better than these inspired men? Why didn’t God call us as seers and revelators then? If these men are not in tune with the Spirit and have their own agenda, is it probable that an omnipotent God is watching His Church be destroyed and doing nothing about it? Did an omnipotent God make a mistake in trusting mortal men to lead His Church?

        • Raegan, we will be disappointed because these inspired men are, like us, capable of well-intentioned error in interpreting God’s will. I do not think any of them are deliberately seeking to destroy the Lord’s Church. I also do not think their agency is extracted from them when they are called to high church office, and our church history is replete with examples of human error in the administration of the affairs and doctrines of the Kingdom, as is the history of the Church through every dispensation. We do no favors to anyone when we try to pretend it has ever been otherwise.

          Everything Duane Boyce has written for this website is implicitly premised on the idea that it is impossible for the leaders of the Church to make errors when acting in their official capacity. All references to them as “imperfect” seem to be qualified by the idea that their human fallibility is only operative when they’re off duty as prophets, so to speak. That is bad doctrine, and it erodes faith when members discover prophetic errors where they have been taught to expect de facto prophetic infallibility.

          • I think I understand what you mean, and you make a valid point. If we are taught that prophets are infallible, we will be disappointed and have our faith shaken when we find out otherwise. However, I think Brother Boyce endeavors to do the opposite, which is highlight the fallibility of the prophets. I think some examples from Brother Boyce’s earlier work may help in understanding the scale of the prophets’ fallibility.

            https://journal.interpreterfoundation.org/a-lengthening-shadow-is-quality-of-thought-deteriorating-in-lds-scholarly-discourse-regarding-prophets-and-revelation-part-one/

            I’ve copy and pasted a couple statements from that work below, specifically from section “An Important Proviso about Revelation: Degrees of Importance and Degrees of Control”.

            “It is easy to imagine that the Lord exercises such varying degrees of direction and control based on the importance of the issues under consideration. Sidney Rigdon . . . was directed by the Lord on two occasions to do as “seemeth him good” regarding certain particulars (D&C 41:8; 58:50–51), and other brethren were also told to decide a given issue on their own because, the Lord told them, that particular issue “mattereth not unto me” (D&C 60:5). In multiple other places the Lord speaks similarly — giving direction by the Spirit but leaving certain details for members to decide for themselves (e.g., D&C 38:37; 48:3; 61:35; and 62:7–8).”

            “Some issues matter a great deal, some matter to a small extent, and, comparatively speaking, some matter very little if at all, and the Lord exercises direction and control commensurate with such varying degrees of importance. Surely this reality explains why President J. Reuben Clark could remark that “we are not infallible in our judgment, and we err,” while President Gordon B. Hinckley could say that “the Lord is directing this work, and He won’t let me or anyone else lead it astray” . . . The difference in such statements would seem to stem naturally from a difference in the issues each has in mind and in their relative importance.”

            “I think it a reasonable conclusion to say that constant, never varying inspiration is not a factor in the administration of the affairs of the Church; not even good men, though they be prophets or other high officials of the Church, are at all times and in all things inspired of God. It is only occasionally, and at need, that God comes to their aid.”

            “It is hard . . . to imagine any thoughtful person who believes the Lord dictates “every decision” and prevents every mistake, or that “every word and every act” of anyone, in any position, is due to “inspiration from the Lord.” The fact that presiding councils govern the Church — not individuals (even prophets) acting on their own — is enough to disprove any notion of this sort.”

            I’m hoping that was helpful. I think what Brother Boyce is demonstrating is that the propensity for error is relative to the value the Lord places on a given issue. The Lord will allow the leaders to err on small matters, but will not allow errors that take the Church away from its appointed course.

            I take issue with saying that these men “will disappoint” because it is too bold a statement and opens the doors to pride and disrespect. I think Brother Boyce’s actual personal mission is to demonstrate that these men deserve our loyalty and respect. Not because they are infallible (because they’re not), but because the Lord called them to lead the Church and guide its members. It takes an enormous amount of faith and humility to trust and support these men with “arms made of flesh”. But if they’re good enough for God, they ought to be good enough for us.

  5. This paper attempts to make things simpler than they really are. It is trivial to demonstrate that the prophets disagree with themselves, change their minds, and make mistakes. Most educated LDS and readers of The Interpreter would agree with that. It is not tenable to ‘go back’ to thinking that every word that comes out of the prophets mouth is God’s direct will. We need a more nuanced view of then prophet’s role. Since any member with an internet connection can confirm the above in five minutes, our task should be how do we support/sustain the prophet without regressing into an authority/loyalty paradigm?

    • I think it is the job of the Saints to pray for their leaders, pray that the prophet can do his job well and obtain revelation and wisdom to guide the Saints and help the Church be run according to God’s will. However, it is the job (and benefit) of the Saints to have a personal relationship with the Savior as well. Question everything if need be. If we don’t feel a sense of peace and truth with words a prophet has spoken, we can (and should) search, ponder, and pray (that’s a primary song – something we’ve been encouraged to do at a very young age). If we have a testimony that the prophet is called of and speaks for God, the prophet deserves authority and loyalty, so I don’t see the problem here. The prophets are imperfect human beings and the Saints have a role and duty in supporting and sustaining these imperfect humans. But like I said, the Saints have access to the Holy Ghost and can and should pray anytime they want to. If you don’t know if a prophet is speaking truth on behalf of God, why wouldn’t you pray about it to know for yourself? The broad idea is that God chooses who will run the Church and have it not led astray. But nobody needs to believe that just because they are told that. Build you own testimony and see how you feel about the prophet and his role. Embrace your questions, develop a relationship with God, and seek answers and peace in your life. It actually is very simple.

  6. I want to relate Robert Smith’s quote of Brigham Young to what President Kimball told Elaine Cannon.

    In Robert Smith’s quote of Brigham Young, Brigham Young said, “Let every man and woman know, by the whispering of the Spirit of God to themselves, whether their leaders are walking in the path the Lord dictates, or not. This has been my exhortation continually.” JD, 9:150.

    There is another reason why President Kimball, President Brigham Young, and other prophets do NOT want blind obedience, but want obedience deriving from a testimony provided by the Holy Ghost. As Jesus told Nicodemus, we must all be born again. That means that we must have the Holy Ghost in our lives such that we are purified, sanctified. and thus made Christlike by the Holy Ghost. This influence of the Holy Ghost is made possible by the Savior’s atonement and is THE ONLY WAY TO BECOME PURIFIED, SANCTIFIED, AND CHRISTLIKE. THE ONLY WAY! Blind obedience excludes the Spirit, excludes the influence of the Holy Ghost. Blind obedience DOES NOT CHANGE A PERSON THE WAY THE HOLY GHOST CHANGES A PERSON.

    Does that mean that we have to pray about everything the prophet says? Yes, if necessary. But hopefully we are so close to the Spirit that we recognize the truthfulness of a prophet’s statement when we hear it. And, in fact, if we are continually in doubt about what the prophet says, that means that we are NOT living worthy to have the Spirit with us. And someone may think that some outward acts of obedience (e.g. attending meetings but not really pondering and listening, hometeaching or ministering on the 31st of the month, giving poorly prepared lessons at home and in church) are sufficient, but they are not sufficient. Outward acts of obedience are necessary but not sufficient to develop spiritual growth; likewise, blind obedience is NOT sufficient to develop spiritual growth. If we are NOT experiencing the Holy Ghost, we will not be born again; we will not be purified, sanctified, and Christlike. This is what Nephi meant when he said that he and others followed the law of Moses but knew that only following the law of Moses would not save them. As Nephi said, we must follow Christ, that is, become purified, sanctified, and Christlike. Blind obedience is like obeying the law of Moses and thinking it is sufficient to save. Following the Spirit continually saves because in that process we become purified, sanctified, and Christlike.

  7. Excellent article, Brother Boyce.

    On Jan 12, 1862, Pres Brigham Young himself said:

    “What a pity it would be if we were led by one man to utter destruction! Are you afraid of this? I am more afraid that this people have so much confidence in their leaders that they will not inquire for themselves of God whether they are led by Him. I am fearful they settle down in a state of blind self-security, trusting their eternal destiny in the hands of their leaders with a reckless confidence that in itself would thwart the purposes of God in their salvation, and weaken that influence they could give to their leaders, did they know for themselves, by the revelations of Jesus, that they are led in the right way. Let every man and woman know, by the whispering of the Spirit of God to themselves, whether their leaders are walking in the path the Lord dictates, or not. This has been my exhortation continually.” JD, 9:150.

    This seems to match the same concern by Pres Kimball.

    However, there remains a strong tendency within the LDS tradition to attribute infallibility to our prophets, even if we are all free to pray about their words to determine for ourselves whether they are of God. We need to much more carefully address whether in fact our prophets are infallible, and whether everything they say is the very word of prophecy.

    We have, for example, heard Elder McConkie speak about Pres Kimball’s May-June 1978 revelation: “Forget everything that I have said, or what President Brigham Young or President George Q. Cannon or whomsoever has said in days past that is contrary to the present revelation. We spoke with a limited understanding and without the light and knowledge that now has come into the world.” BYU, August 18, 1978, online at https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/bruce-r-mcconkie_alike-unto-god/ .

    This suggests that Elder Orson Pratt was correct to oppose Pres Young on that very issue. Yet, we are taught that the Brethren ought not to be at odds with one another.

    Perhaps Duane Boyce will do us the courtesy of addressing this fraught question in a future article in Interpreter.

    • I believe Brother Boyce has answered this question before, but I can’t find the reference offhand. My memory is that he noted a difference between instructions and reasons. The Lord gives prophets instructions but he doesn’t usually give them reasons (Elder Oaks said that.) His point was that none of the reasons usually given for the priesthood ban were inspired–even in the official declaration the lack-of-valiance thing was only listed as a possible reason, not as part of the revelation. The “instruction” was a limit on the priesthood, but all the “reasons” were just good people trying to make sense of it. When the instruction was changed, all those reasons were disavowed. What is being rejected there, in your quote, is not the ban itself but all the justifications that had been offered for it.

      I will try to find the article where he lays this all out but in the meantime, I’m pretty sure that was the general idea.

  8. This is a wonderful follow-up to Bro Boyce’s earlier paper. What we don’t seem to investigate is why people would want to think of prophets as mistaken and prone to error. As a psychologist, I think in terms of motivation, and perhaps it is that some are high in Openness to Experience, one the the “big five” (OCEAN) personality factors, and lower on Conscientiousness. That is, if I am open but not very careful and conscientious, I am motivated to reject anything that might seem like it is constricting my personal freedom, such as being encouraged to oppose the ERA. I would propose a study: a measure of agreement/disagreement with the Prophets-as-prone-to- errors model (PPEM?) plus an OCEAN personality test.

    I predict the adherents of the PPEM will be quite put out at me for suggesting a personality structure motivation. But I think it might be an interesting question to research.

  9. This is an interesting little tidbit of historical info that I am pleased to know about, but that critics may take issue with. Their problem, not mine.

    I see this tidbit in conjunction with the George Albert Smith item in Boyce’s previous paper and they should be understood together in fuller context and broad application.

    So nothing really earth-shaking here, but something well worth knowing and pondering. Good for Duane finding and sharing it. It will be interesting to see if critics try to make any mischief with it though; some of them are always looking for such things to manipulate and exploit.

    The fact is that when the prophet has given the people the mind and will of the Lord, the responsibility shifts to hearers to accept or reject and understand what has happened. The prophet’s skirts remain white, figuratively speaking. I love having prophets!

  10. Boyce is correctly arguing against the notion that prophets are rarely guided by direct revelation from God, especially the modern/living prophets of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

    However, it seems to me that he and others also would have argued that the modern Priesthood and Temple Restrictions are not only similar but equivalent to restrictions in the scriptures such as Jesus’ command to only preach to the house of Israel in the Meridian of Time. Another claimed equivalency from this point of view can be made between the Priesthood and Temple Restrictions and Plural Marriage.

    The most significant problem with these supposed equivalencies is that there is canonized revelation establishing and ending the scriptural examples mentioned above (see Matthew 10:5-7 & Matthew 28:18-20/Acts 10 and D&C 132 & Official Declaration 1). By comparison, there is no canonized revelation establishing the Priesthood and Temple Restrictions.

    Boyce has previously pointed out that the doctrine of the Church is taught by all 15 men in the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles by quoting a statement from Elder Neil L. Andersen to that effect. However, not only is there no statement from a combined First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve stating that the Restrictions began by revelation, we also have this statement with regard to these Restrictions in the introduction to Official Declaration 2, “Church records offer no clear insights into the origins of this practice.” We also have this approved statement which was made in 2012, “It is not known precisely why, how or when this restriction began in the Church…” (https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/race-church) Those seem like strange statements to make if the Restrictions clearly began as a result of direct revelation from God.

    Perhaps no one sees a need to have any sort of discussion regarding this or other problems because they do not see them as problems and therefore to them there is nothing to discuss (or even be concerned about for that matter). That approach seems too extreme to be anything but inadequate and misguided.

    There is nothing wrong with observing in wonder what God is able to do with us weak and simple mortals, or perhaps more often, in spite of us (see D&C 1:19-28).

    While we should not go to the extreme of speaking evil of the Lord’s anointed, we can state, as did Nephi, that “…all [have] gone astray save it be a few, who are the humble followers of Christ; nevertheless, they are led that in many instances they do err because they are taught by the precepts of men” (2 Nephi 28:14).

    In addition, the last two chapters of Jonah give us a memorable example of the Lord teaching a prophet he had called to change his erroneous way of seeing the people to whom he was called to preach repentance. Studying and discussing this example, or others like it, do not necessarily constitute an attempt to detract from a prophetic call or question priesthood authority; instead, they can serve to point us to the Source of that call whose authority it is and not totally trust in ourselves or other imperfect people.

    Speaking of imperfect people, Elder Dieter F. Uchtdof said this, “…to be perfectly frank, there have been times when members or leaders in the Church have simply made mistakes. There may have been things said or done that were not in harmony with our values, principles, or doctrine.”

    Additionally, President Boyd K. Packer, speaking of how the Council of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve works has stated, “Even with the best of intentions, it does not always work the way it should. Human nature may express itself on occasion, but not to the permanent injury of the work.”

    Much has been made about possible reasons for the Restrictions (i.e. the why). However, at least for believing members of the Church, it seems like the more relevant question now is, “Did the Lord command the policy, or did He allow it?” The Church’s official answer to that question, as I understand it, is that we don’t know.

    My opinion is that He allowed it.

    Furthermore, I agree with this statement made by Eugene England in 1973, “I am certain that the Church is directed through revelation, believing that at least the most recent Prophets have prayed sincerely about this matter [i.e. the Priesthood and Temple Restrictions] and that if the Lord thought it best to make a change at this time he could get through to his leaders and have a change made. However…I also believe that the Lord does wish a change could be made and that we all bear responsibility for the fact that it hasn’t been made yet.”

    I also believe that, “..the chief deterrent to a divine mandate for change [was] not to be found in any inadequacy among [those of black, African descent] but rather in the unreadiness of the Mormon whites with our heritage of racial folklore” (Armand Mauss—see the 2008 BYU Studies article by Edward L…

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